Comments on: Beer Pong Renamed To Pong Toss - *sigh* http://www.wiiblog.net/beer-pong-renamed-to-pong-toss-sigh-829/ Wii Blog Is A Nintendo Website dedicated to News, Reviews, and Everything Concerning The Nintendo Wii Fri, 19 Mar 2010 04:36:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: SconesNTea http://www.wiiblog.net/beer-pong-renamed-to-pong-toss-sigh-829/comment-page-1/#comment-273603 SconesNTea Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:42:49 +0000 http://www.wiiblog.net/beer-pong-renamed-to-pong-toss-sigh-829/#comment-273603 Censorship! Why didn’t they just call it Tea and Scones Pong instead. Power To The People!!! Censorship! Why didn’t they just call it Tea and Scones Pong instead. Power To The People!!!

]]> By: SconesNTea http://www.wiiblog.net/beer-pong-renamed-to-pong-toss-sigh-829/comment-page-1/#comment-273072 SconesNTea Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:38:19 +0000 http://www.wiiblog.net/beer-pong-renamed-to-pong-toss-sigh-829/#comment-273072 Censorship! Why didn't they just call it Tea and Scones Pong instead Censorship! Why didn’t they just call it Tea and Scones Pong instead

]]> By: ChussyCauddy http://www.wiiblog.net/beer-pong-renamed-to-pong-toss-sigh-829/comment-page-1/#comment-229795 ChussyCauddy Sat, 02 Aug 2008 23:06:54 +0000 http://www.wiiblog.net/beer-pong-renamed-to-pong-toss-sigh-829/#comment-229795 Thanks ! Thanks !

]]> By: Step http://www.wiiblog.net/beer-pong-renamed-to-pong-toss-sigh-829/comment-page-1/#comment-192518 Step Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:37:07 +0000 http://www.wiiblog.net/beer-pong-renamed-to-pong-toss-sigh-829/#comment-192518 I'll start at the end of your comment and work up. :) I have no idea what the "better" solution would have been, though my initial reaction agrees with yours. Changing the name makes an already lame title (IMO only) into one lacking even a vestige of meaning. Didn't know whether the game had references to drinking besides the title or not - if I were interested in it (I don't drink so I'm guessing here) and I bought it based on the title, I would imagine being really ticked off if there were then no drinking references at all. Again just IMO, not something I really care about either way anyway. Ah, the bias though. Actually, lyrics are changed and censored (though not necessarily on alcohol) - and movies are cut, censored, etc... it's just those mediums have been around a lot longer so there's not the hoopla now surrounding it. That is, these questions have, I think, been largely resolved (or the process to resolve them has been largely worked out) whereas these questions in the game medium are still new. There's also the question of targetting, where games are still presumed (especially by elderly statemen who don't realize their 30-year-old constituents are gameres) to be mostly the domain of young'uns. Indeed, despite my status as an adult gamer, I'd say that's still largely true (though continually less so every year). But maybe this targeting assumption is where your real concern lies? I’ll start at the end of your comment and work up. :)

I have no idea what the “better” solution would have been, though my initial reaction agrees with yours. Changing the name makes an already lame title (IMO only) into one lacking even a vestige of meaning.

Didn’t know whether the game had references to drinking besides the title or not - if I were interested in it (I don’t drink so I’m guessing here) and I bought it based on the title, I would imagine being really ticked off if there were then no drinking references at all. Again just IMO, not something I really care about either way anyway.

Ah, the bias though. Actually, lyrics are changed and censored (though not necessarily on alcohol) - and movies are cut, censored, etc… it’s just those mediums have been around a lot longer so there’s not the hoopla now surrounding it. That is, these questions have, I think, been largely resolved (or the process to resolve them has been largely worked out) whereas these questions in the game medium are still new.

There’s also the question of targetting, where games are still presumed (especially by elderly statemen who don’t realize their 30-year-old constituents are gameres) to be mostly the domain of young’uns. Indeed, despite my status as an adult gamer, I’d say that’s still largely true (though continually less so every year). But maybe this targeting assumption is where your real concern lies?

]]> By: JohnnyV http://www.wiiblog.net/beer-pong-renamed-to-pong-toss-sigh-829/comment-page-1/#comment-192416 JohnnyV Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:39:15 +0000 http://www.wiiblog.net/beer-pong-renamed-to-pong-toss-sigh-829/#comment-192416 I wasn't trying to say that making alcohol a part of game is by nature wrong or right. I'm just saying that it seems games get picked on more in the entertainment industry than any other form. You never hear of music lyrics having to be changed, or certain parts in a movie needing to be cut out...I'm more upset at the bias than the act itself.. While I don't 100% know his true intent, if he was adamant about fighting alcohol in entertainment the he should try and battle it on all fronts..even in different video games, as there's all kinds of games I've played throughout the years that has had alcohol consumption and been rated T for Teen..and as for active drinking, going by the ESRB president, there was no consuming of alcohol at any time during the game...the only thing the game had 'wrong' with it was the name itself...and since when did a name ever hurt anyone.. But I can definitely see the points you're making, and teen alcohol abuse is a serious problem... I just think a better solution would have been to re-rate the game as M for Mature than change the title. I wasn’t trying to say that making alcohol a part of game is by nature wrong or right. I’m just saying that it seems games get picked on more in the entertainment industry than any other form. You never hear of music lyrics having to be changed, or certain parts in a movie needing to be cut out…I’m more upset at the bias than the act itself.. While I don’t 100% know his true intent, if he was adamant about fighting alcohol in entertainment the he should try and battle it on all fronts..even in different video games, as there’s all kinds of games I’ve played throughout the years that has had alcohol consumption and been rated T for Teen..and as for active drinking, going by the ESRB president, there was no consuming of alcohol at any time during the game…the only thing the game had ‘wrong’ with it was the name itself…and since when did a name ever hurt anyone.. But I can definitely see the points you’re making, and teen alcohol abuse is a serious problem… I just think a better solution would have been to re-rate the game as M for Mature than change the title.

]]> By: Step http://www.wiiblog.net/beer-pong-renamed-to-pong-toss-sigh-829/comment-page-1/#comment-192402 Step Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:22:47 +0000 http://www.wiiblog.net/beer-pong-renamed-to-pong-toss-sigh-829/#comment-192402 I don't know (or care) much about this situation for the most part, but there is one thing I think any discussion involving this needs to be aware of: People that drink before they are 15 years old are 4 times more likely to have alcohol dependency issues after they turn 21. That's a serious statistic, that bears dealing with in the face of any discussions on appropriateness or not of a particular "attack". A few other problems from your article: -one wrong (alcohol in movies with PG-13 ratings, for example), doesn't make another wrong right. Note I'm not actually claiming either is truly wrong or right, nor am I substantiating your claim about PG-13 movies (no idea if that's actually true) - just pointing out a logical fallacy. -How do you presume to know Blumenthal's motives so well? (I sure don't have any idea if this is for political gain for him or a real issue.) -Equating passive (movie-watching) with active (a game that reportedly replicates a drinking game!!) is not even close to a fair comparison. I don't see how one (consumption of media) could translate directly to another (involvement with media). I don’t know (or care) much about this situation for the most part, but there is one thing I think any discussion involving this needs to be aware of:
People that drink before they are 15 years old are 4 times more likely to have alcohol dependency issues after they turn 21.

That’s a serious statistic, that bears dealing with in the face of any discussions on appropriateness or not of a particular “attack”.

A few other problems from your article: -one wrong (alcohol in movies with PG-13 ratings, for example), doesn’t make another wrong right. Note I’m not actually claiming either is truly wrong or right, nor am I substantiating your claim about PG-13 movies (no idea if that’s actually true) - just pointing out a logical fallacy.
-How do you presume to know Blumenthal’s motives so well? (I sure don’t have any idea if this is for political gain for him or a real issue.)
-Equating passive (movie-watching) with active (a game that reportedly replicates a drinking game!!) is not even close to a fair comparison. I don’t see how one (consumption of media) could translate directly to another (involvement with media).

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